Traveller-digest       Tuesday, July 27 1999       Volume 1999 : Number 900



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The following topics are covered in this digest:

Re: Average Density of Cargo?
Re: Average Density of Cargo?
Re: On the nature of Jump Space
Re: Real world question
Re: On the nature of Jump Space
Re LBB's
RE: Galactic Coordinates
Galactic Coordinates (Was RE: Transstellar chronosynchronization)
Re: Real world question 
Re: Real world question
Re: Traveller Navigator Software
Re: Traveller Navigator Software
Re: Republishing
Jupiter class Type-C deckplans
Re: Real world question
Re: Where to buy traveller
Where to buy
Re: Real world question
Re: Traveller-digest V1999 #899
Word copies of MT manuals
re: GT and Short vs Long Term Access (and super-duper thruster modules)
re:popular gravitics
Re: GT and Short vs Long Term Access (and super-duper thruster modules)
Re: Republishing CT materials
Re: Republishing
TNE and where to buy in Germany
Re: Republishing
RE: burgers
Re: GT and Short vs Long Term Access (and super-duper thruster modules)
Re: burgers
Re: Traveller-digest V1999 #899

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Date: Tue, 27 Jul 1999 13:18:34 -0600
From: "Christopher B. Thrash" <thrash@io.com>
Subject: Re: Average Density of Cargo?

>Date: Sun, 25 Jul 1999 12:53:49 +0000
>From: "Carlos Alos-Ferrer" <Carlos.Alos-Ferrer@univie.ac.at>
>Subject: Average Density of Cargo?
>
>What I am looking for is a quick and dirty rule of thumb, say... What 
>is the average *density* of interstellar cargo and freight?

An international "register ton" is 100 cubic feet, and is supposed to
represent the volume of an average ton of cargo. Whether this is a long ton
(2240 lb) or a short ton (2000 lb) I don't recall. "5 metric tons per
displacement ton" is a good quick and dirty rule of thumb.

Don't forget: most cargo does not physically fill the hold space it
occupies. There is wastage for packing, blocking, bracing, tie-downs,
access and inspection, recirculation (liquid bulk), etc.

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Date: Tue, 27 Jul 1999 13:35:21 -0600
From: "Christopher B. Thrash" <thrash@io.com>
Subject: Re: Average Density of Cargo?

>Date: Sun, 25 Jul 1999 15:31:08 PST
>From: shadow@krypton.rain.com (Leonard Erickson)
>Subject: Re: Average Density of Cargo?
>
>How do they ship stuff like lumber or steel plate? Those will be *much*
>denser (lumber around 7-14 tons per dton, steel plate around 112 tons
>per dton!)

Some of it is unitized for handling, generally on metal pallets the size of
ISO container bases (with or without side strakes).

Lumber and steel plate that loads as general cargo normally requires
shoring to spread the weight out across the deck, tie-downs to prevent
shifting in transit, etc. Lumber further requires spacers between layers,
to prevent water or humidity from standing between layers and ruining them.

Even so, it is quite possible to overload a general cargo ship with dense
cargo. The captain normally takes on as much of the heavy cargo as he can,
then "tops off" with lighter stuff.

I seem to recall, by the way, that bagged coffee beans wind up being one of
the densest-packed cargos. 

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Date: Tue, 27 Jul 1999 15:09:00 -0500
From: "Thomas Vickers" <redroach@flex.net>
Subject: Re: On the nature of Jump Space

>I do know though, having attempted to rebuild a version of the TNE rules as
>close to known science as possible, that failure to accept certain
important
>departures (jump drives especially and to a lesser extent artificial
>gravity) does leave you with a pretty limited game scope.
>


Just call it 2300 AD :)
- ----------------------------------------------------------------------------
- ------------
"... you may all go to hell and I will go to Texas."
David Crockett

- ---
>Nick
>

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Date: Tue, 27 Jul 1999 21:15:51 +0100
From: "Nick Bradbeer" <nickb@ndirect.co.uk>
Subject: Re: Real world question

>That is exactly what someone that was covering up the conspiracy would say.


Mais oui.....

NB

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Date: Tue, 27 Jul 1999 16:38:35 -0400
From: Ian Ferguson <ian@vax2.concordia.ca>
Subject: Re: On the nature of Jump Space

Anthony Jackson writes:
>*cough*.  Laugh.  The biggest departures from hard science are jump
drives, >reactionless thrusters, contragravity, and nuclear dampers.

	Let's not get started. At least in CT, damn near everything
	from the personal combat system up takes, um, great liberties
	with science. Hey, it's a game :-)

Peez

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Date: Tue, 27 Jul 1999 16:36:09 -0400 (EDT)
From: "William F. Hostman" <aramis@gci.net>
Subject: Re LBB's

>Can anyone tell me which LBBs are included in The Traveller Book?
>(tia)
>
>- -- g
Books 1,2,3, parts of Bk0, and two adventures (Exit Visa and Shadows, IIRC).

William F. Hostman
Mailto:aramis@gci.net http://home.gci.net/~aramis http://www.alaska.net/~mhaa
ICQ:14640742          AIM:AKAramis	ARM 1.0: 3 R H++ P+
IMTU 1.0: tc tm++ tn t4- tt+ to- ?tg ru+ ge 3i+ jt-() au+ st+ ls ls- kk+
as+ hi+ dr+ va++(--) so+ zh++ vi+ da++ sy- ge- pi+
"Smith & Wesson: THe original Point and Click interface!"

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Date: Tue, 27 Jul 1999 16:47:44 -0400
From: Ian Ferguson <ian@vax2.concordia.ca>
Subject: RE: Galactic Coordinates

Thing writes:
>Just where is Galactic North?
<snipped>

	I have always assumed it to be to your left if your feet are
	pointing at the galactic core and you are facing to spinward,
	as this works for the Terran north pole.

>http://www.pcug.org.au/~davidjw/libdata/ALPHABET/D/directio.htm#Top
>states that coreward in traveller refers to towards the Imperial Core or
>capital.  It galactic North in traveller a point on the rim along a ray
>cast either from the capital through the galactic core or from the
>galactic core through the capital?

	IIRC, coreward (when used in stellar cartography) refers to
	the geographic center of the galaxy rather than the Imperial 
	core.  An imaginary line running from the galactic core through
	Capitol is considered zero for the Imperium's mapping (IMTU).
	Any point can then be defined to spinward/trailing, coreward/
	rimward, and north/south of this line.

Peez

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Date: Tue, 27 Jul 1999 17:02:01 -0400 (EDT)
From: Charles Collin <charles@hebb.psych.mcgill.ca>
Subject: Galactic Coordinates (Was RE: Transstellar chronosynchronization)

<gduke@orca.esd114.wednet.edu>
Just where is Galactic North?  It just dawns on me that I have read and
used this term for quite a while and don't know how to find it.  I was
thinking
</gduke@orca.esd114.wednet.edu>

IIRC, Galactic North would be towards the observer as you look at a trav
map.  It's towards one end of the axis about which the galaxy rotates, so
it's orthogonal to the coreward/rimward and spinward/trailing directions.

BTW, this ties in nicely with the thread about 2D vs. 3D space and "what
is the biggest hand wave in Traveller" question.  I would tend to agree
that 2D space is the worst one.  Jump drives, contra-grav, etc., can all
be accepted as future technological developments based on better
understanding of the universe and so on.  But we know right now that the
universe is 3D, that's not going to change, so it makes it impossible to
suspend disbelief.  

I like the "jump space is 2D" solution.  I think the canon references to
"real" directions pose a problem for this, but not a huge one.  Directions
only have to be roughly correspondent on a large scale (The sleeper ships
from Sol) and in certain isolated local cases (The Darrian Te Zuyez). Yes,
it's arbitrary and overly convenient, but so are a lot of things about
jump space (time unit is a week, distance is a parsec, etc.).

Charles C.

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Date: Tue, 27 Jul 1999 14:08:29
From: "Douglas E. Berry" <dberry@hooked.net>
Subject: Re: Real world question 

At 09:59 AM 7/27/99 -0400, you wrote:

>> These people believe that JFK Jr. was killed by a blackhole flung out from
>> brookhaven National Labs on Hillary Clinton's orders.
>
>No doubt to keep him from interfering with Hillary's attempt to shanghai
the New York directorate in her Senate bid.

I see you've been keeping up with the threads.
- -- 

Doug Berry
dberry@hooked.net
http://www.hooked.net/~dberry

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Date: Tue, 27 Jul 1999 14:11:06
From: "Douglas E. Berry" <dberry@hooked.net>
Subject: Re: Real world question

At 07:55 PM 7/27/99 +0100, you wrote:

>>These people believe that JFK Jr. was killed by a blackhole flung out from
>>brookhaven National Labs on Hillary Clinton's orders.
>
>I concede your point, stop talking and start looking nervously about me for
>a handy weapon. These people are *real*?

One of these people has (repeatedly) announced that I'm just an alias for
an Orthodox Rabbi.  He completely missed the point when I posted a "you're
right" at 2200 hours on a Friday night.

- -- 

Doug Berry
dberry@hooked.net
http://www.hooked.net/~dberry

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Date: Tue, 27 Jul 1999 14:14:39
From: "Douglas E. Berry" <dberry@hooked.net>
Subject: Re: Traveller Navigator Software

At 10:42 AM 7/27/99 -0400, you wrote:
>
>Hi all.  Just perusing an old Pyramid mag that SJ Games put up on their
>website and came across a review of a program called Traveller Navigator.
>Apparently it helps one keep track of maps, times and so on.  Anyone heard
>of this?  Anyone used it?  What are your opinions?  Is it still available
>(the review mentions that it's for Win 3.1, so its a few years old at this
>point, but I'm still on a Win 3.1 machine, so...).

It was avalible for a time as freeware, but I'm not sure if even that is an
option anymore.

I still have the files for Reft, Deneb, and the Spinward marches, if any
one is interested.
- -- 

Doug Berry
dberry@hooked.net
http://www.hooked.net/~dberry

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Date: Tue, 27 Jul 1999 17:13:28 EDT
From: Kagehira@aol.com
Subject: Re: Traveller Navigator Software

In a message dated 7/27/99 1:02:19 PM Pacific Daylight Time, 
owner-traveller-digest@lists.imagiconline.com writes:

> 
>  
>  Charles Collin wrote:
>  
>  > Hi all.  Just perusing an old Pyramid mag that SJ Games put up on their
>  > website and came across a review of a program called Traveller Navigator.
>  > Apparently it helps one keep track of maps, times and so on.  Anyone 
heard
>  > of this?  Anyone used it?  What are your opinions?  Is it still available
>  > (the review mentions that it's for Win 3.1, so its a few years old at 
this
>  > point, but I'm still on a Win 3.1 machine, so...).
>  >
>  > Thanks,
>  > Charles.
>  
>  
>  I've heard of it.  I even found a copy of the Spinward Marches at my used
>  computer softward store a couple of year


There might also be copies in the Missouri Archives (at least they are 
available on a site somewhere, I can't remember where though). They are also 
available with much other software on the HIWG CD.


Bryan

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Date: Tue, 27 Jul 1999 17:24:53 EDT
From: Kagehira@aol.com
Subject: Re: Republishing

>>Sword Worlder wrote:
>> 
>> The Traveller CD project is a different beast, still in the middle stages
>> and far from complete.  The project involves many people scanning, OCRing,
>> error-checking, checking, checking and checking again.  The intent is to
>> have a SEARCHABLE copy of all of the GDW Traveller material.  I know that
>> Bryan wanted to include the other published approved materials, but he has
>> not been able to get permission from several of them, most notably the DGP
>> owner.  Estimated publishing date?  Well, if he can keep getting the help he
>> needs for the process, maybe by the end of 2000?

>Well, if this Bryan person wants the MT rules sent to him, AND if he gets
>permission from Marc for me to do so, I'd be happy to send him what I have.
>Basically, I have Word versions of all of the MT rules, with errata fixes 
done.

>However, I won't send him anything without permission from Marc.

I already (or we already) have most of the MT rules scanned, just not 
proofed. And yes we do have permission from Marc for this project. Although 
admittedly it's taking a lot longer than I hoped (everybody wants it, just 
nobody wants to help enough; my fault to in part).

I also have permission from him to republish any of the licensees material in 
CD format (provided of course I can track them down and get permission; I 
have three so far, a probable fourth; and everyone else is in the air). 
Currently the several of the White Dwarf articles are available.

I've also had permission to post to my web site magazine articles from JTAS 
and Challenge (provided I get the authors permission). Several are available 
currently.

Bryan

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Date: Tue, 27 Jul 1999 17:35:12 EDT
From: GypsyComet@aol.com
Subject: Jupiter class Type-C deckplans

 Based on the original Type-C from early printings of Book 2, here is an 
airframe version of the Fun Ball...

http://members.aol.com/gypsycomet/index.html
 in the New section.

GC

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Date: Tue, 27 Jul 1999 22:49:23 +0100
From: "Nick Bradbeer" <nickb@ndirect.co.uk>
Subject: Re: Real world question

>One of these people has (repeatedly) announced that I'm just an alias for
>an Orthodox Rabbi.  He completely missed the point when I posted a "you're
>right" at 2200 hours on a Friday night.


Is he basing that on anything in particular, or is it a case of 'join
alt.conspiracy and receive a free sinister secret identity'?

NB

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Date: Tue, 27 Jul 1999 17:53:03 -0400
From: "Sword Worlder" <swordworlder@clinic.net>
Subject: Re: Where to buy traveller

- ----- Original Message -----
From: Steve Daniels <stevedaniels@portcaddo.com>
> I have to recommend Downport!  Dealing with Sword Worlder was smooth
> and easy.  Even with my stupid mistake of not remember that the credit
> card bills is not from "Downport.com."

Hee hee, thanks Bloo.  I appreciate a good plug.  Thought I'd add the
cow-eyed, pleeding remark that your purchases from The Traveller Trader
("T3") help to support Downport.com in it's mission to provide a Traveller
domain on the web.  I try not to do too many shameless plugs on the list,
but it's been awhile so I guess it is time.  Also, I have created a
"tasteful" banner ad for T3 that I would like to find places to post.  I can
offer reciprocal links.  It's worth a visit to see what I have done even if
you aren't buying.  I'm trying to run a Traveller-only shop and would
appreciate comments and suggestions about it.  The direct links are:

http://surf.to/traveller-trader  - or -
http://www.downport.com/ct/trader.html


^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
The TRAVELLER Domain
http://www.downport.com
Colin Michael, Webslinger

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Date: Tue, 27 Jul 1999 17:49:23 +0100
From: SD Mooney <dom@cybergoths.u-net.com>
Subject: Where to buy

tasegeal@juno.com writes:
>Where's the best place to track down a copy of the T4 FF&S and
>Starships?

Try Leisure Games in London http://www.leisuregames.com IIRC or
http://www.btinternet.com/~leisuregames or Best Books and Games in The
Palace, Slater Street, Liverpool. Both do mail order. There is also a game
shop in Harlow IIRC. If you're not a BITS member I'd recommend joining as
many of the LBBs are available to the member's in an auction at prices
lower than the usual 2nd Hand dealer. BITS is at http://www.bits.org.uk/
and I am biased in recommending joining as I run the website (update RSN).

I would recommend that you do not buy Starships for T4 as the designs are
broken and the version of SSDS needs errata. Instead, download the bugfixed
SSDS from the Missouri Archive (linked off BITS) and visit some sites on
the Traveller webring to get designs. Andrew Akins' spreadsheet for FFS2
(needs Excel 5 IIRC) is great for ship design - if you have a Mac look at
the low cost QSDS software by Rob Prior (also at BITS). The Starships book
does make a good emergency mouse mat.

My real recommendation is that you get hold of Traders & Gunboats for CT (I
got this off BITS for 7), and get bugfixed QSDS1.5 or SSDS.

FFS2 has flawed equations ( a typo replaces the multiply sign with
doubleheaded arrows) but a number of sites on the Trav Webring have
solutions and errata. Otherwise, FFS2 looks useful but in need of a
spreadsheet or a scientific calculator.

Dom

- ----------Dom Mooney---dom@cybergoths.u-net.com------------
"In the End I found beginnings, not a vision, a wake up call.
Raised from the dead by a beating heart and at last I can
  see it all. And my eyes were opened to the darkness.."
                  Fish /Raingods with Zippos/
Rob Prior's Mac software @ http://www.bits.org.uk/ 

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Date: Tue, 27 Jul 1999 15:16:21
From: "Douglas E. Berry" <dberry@hooked.net>
Subject: Re: Real world question

At 10:49 PM 7/27/99 +0100, you wrote:
>>One of these people has (repeatedly) announced that I'm just an alias for
>>an Orthodox Rabbi.  He completely missed the point when I posted a "you're
>>right" at 2200 hours on a Friday night.

>Is he basing that on anything in particular, or is it a case of 'join
>alt.conspiracy and receive a free sinister secret identity'?

It was based on my refutation of his claim that 600,000 NWO troops were
poised to seize control on the night of July 3rd this year.  (Funny how you
didn't notice it happening, ain't it?)  My labeling him a putz was all the
proof he needed.

It was an awesome post, I wish I had saved it.
- -- 

Doug Berry
dberry@hooked.net
http://www.hooked.net/~dberry

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Date: Tue, 27 Jul 1999 18:17:12 EDT
From: MurfNMurf@aol.com
Subject: Re: Traveller-digest V1999 #899

   Assorted people have been talking about the possible reprinting of old 
OOPTraveller materials.
   The book I'D love to see  would be an Alien book, with a picture and stats 
for every alien that has ever appeared in an old publication, with maybe a 
couple of pages concerning each.
   Speaking of Aliens,whats the deal on the Aliens in GT?Some of them looked 
pretty interesting,from what I saw of them while leafing through a  GT book 
at the local game/record shop.Don't recall having ever seen some of them( but 
then again,there were plenty of Aliens listed on a couple of Travwebpages 
that I'd never heard of either). Are they all from previously-published 
sources,or were some concocted for GT?Seeing them made me wish there were 
CT/MT/Marc's Trav stats for them. :(
   I'd  looked through the assortment of Marc'sTrav books looking for stats 
for some of the old "standard" Aliens,and was unable to find them ( maybe I'm 
just not too observant).I bought Marc'sTrav Alien book, and was generally 
pleased with the product; though  decidedly disappointed to discover  the old 
"standards" weren't in there either.In addition,the Providers (the jellyfish) 
DON'T have any stats! Many of them , in fact,(such as the Hanasaka, 
Guy-Troy,Trakki, and Graytch are rolled on straight,everyday 2D.It just feels 
wrong to me;seems the more ALIEN the Alien is,the more it should veer from 
the 2D "average human" range;even if its just a +1,or something.

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Date: Tue, 27 Jul 1999 16:27:13 -0600
From: Erwin Fritz <efritz@GLJA.com>
Subject: Word copies of MT manuals

Okay, I need to clarify something here.

I have Word versions of the three MT manuals. I typed them myself, years ago,
because you can't buy them here in Calgary anymore, my players were wearing out
the one set of originals I have, and I couldn't afford a scanner at the time.

Whenever I mention this to the TML, I get a flood of requests asking for copies.
While I'd love to share them with you, I need Marc Miller's permission to do so.
I don't want to violate any copyright rules.

My current understanding of the copyright rules is that I _would_ be violating
these rules if I sent them out to people.

Please, if you want copies, don't ask me -- ask Marc!

Thanks, and happy Travelling!
- -- 
Erwin Fritz
Gilbert Laustsen Jung Associates Ltd.
http://www.glja.com

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Date: Tue, 27 Jul 1999 23:15:47 +0100
From: John Buston <John.Buston@tesco.net>
Subject: re: GT and Short vs Long Term Access (and super-duper thruster modules)

>> Note that GT uses vectored thrust so that craft can manouver and hover.
>> This increases thrusters mass, cost and volume by 50%.

>That's where the extra Mass/Volume/Cost in the GT modules come from!!!!!
>Thanks.  You have cleared up a GCE for me!

GCE? Gearhead Cognition Error?

Craig Barnett did some work on vectored & unvectored thruster modules back in
digests 182/183. Though for some reason he used 1760 pounds to the ton. 
Mumble American units mumble metric mumble.

Anyone care to explain the cost of GTL12 thruster modules to me?
I calculate them at MCr 0.65 each (GT lists them as MCr0.29 each).

Help I'm turning into a gearhead, is there no cure?

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Date: Tue, 27 Jul 1999 23:16:10 +0100
From: John Buston <John.Buston@tesco.net>
Subject: re:popular gravitics

Also check out the grav craft in 102 Vehicles. Available free in PDF format from
www.bits.org.uk. There are some very cheap grav craft in there. Designed for T4.

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Date: Tue, 27 Jul 1999 15:37:42 -0700 (PDT)
From: Anthony Jackson <ajackson@molly.iii.com>
Subject: Re: GT and Short vs Long Term Access (and super-duper thruster modules)

John Buston writes:

> Anyone care to explain the cost of GTL12 thruster modules to me?
> I calculate them at MCr 0.65 each (GT lists them as MCr0.29 each).

It's a bug; they're computed at $40/lb.  After it was pointed out, the general decision was to ignore the problem.

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Date: Tue, 27 Jul 1999 23:57:52 +0200
From: Volker Greimann <volker@greimann.de>
Subject: Re: Republishing CT materials

At 03:26 27.07.99 -0400, you wrote:
>
>Where's the best place to track down a copy of the T4 FF&S and
>Starships?

Actually, You dont!
I mean that. 
FFS is one great editing mistake, a manual on how not to do it.
Starships, is of absolutely no use whatsoever, and i am sure everybody 
on the list will agree with me on that.
Volker
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Volker A. Greimann --- http://www.greimann.de --- volker@greimann.de

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Date: Wed, 28 Jul 1999 00:01:01 +0200
From: Volker Greimann <volker@greimann.de>
Subject: Re: Republishing

At 08:56 27.07.99 -0400, you wrote:

>I would like this, but I have to agree with another poster that
>republishing the MT rules sans errors and "background free" would be an
>even better idea!  I've always thought the big stumbling point for the
>whole Traveller franchise was the mis-handling of MT.  It would be nice to
>do it right. 

I agree with you there. BTW, i darkly recall that someone once said that he
scanned the complete MT rulebooks and put them into some format or another
(dont remember wheather it was PDF or html).
As a own multiple copies of the game-books (dont ask, you cant have them...), Id 
REALLY like a copy of those...

Volker
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Volker A. Greimann --- http://www.greimann.de --- volker@greimann.de

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Date: Wed, 28 Jul 1999 00:07:31 +0200
From: Volker Greimann <volker@greimann.de>
Subject: TNE and where to buy in Germany

At 19:11 27.07.99 +0100, you wrote:
>I'm trying to complete my collection of TNE material but am having
>trouble finding most of the items I need so can any one recommend places
>to try in the UK?
Along the same line:
Anybody from the German faction of the list who knows where to get the
Regency Sourcebook?
Volker
- ---------------------------------------------------------------------
Volker A. Greimann --- http://www.greimann.de --- volker@greimann.de

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Date: Wed, 28 Jul 1999 00:04:45 +0200
From: Volker Greimann <volker@greimann.de>
Subject: Re: Republishing

At 08:09 27.07.99 -0600, you wrote:

>Well, if this Bryan person wants the MT rules sent to him, AND if he gets
>permission from Marc for me to do so, I'd be happy to send him what I have.
>Basically, I have Word versions of all of the MT rules, with errata fixes done.

Hi Erwin,
Id really like a copy of those word files for my own personal use. I own
multiple copies of the MT rulebooks and could prove it, too.

Volker
- ---------------------------------------------------------------------
Volker A. Greimann --- http://www.greimann.de --- volker@greimann.de

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Date: Wed, 28 Jul 1999 00:27:00 +0200
From: Volker Greimann <volker@greimann.de>
Subject: RE: burgers

At 16:30 23.07.99 -0400, you wrote:
>Shawn Campbell writes:
>>> BTW, what do they call a 'Quarter Pounder' up there?  I know in France
>they
>>> call it the Royale, but the French have always been a bit weird...
Actually, in Germany, its a "Hamburger Royal" as well...

>>I'd like a Half-Kilo with cheese, a large coke and fries.
>>...a half-kilo of coke and some cheesy-fries?

HALF-KILO?? That would be a Full-Pounder! 
Quite a lot of meat for a burger... ;-)

BTW: Those pounds in "Quarter Ponder" are imperial, not metric pounds, right?
Volker
- ---------------------------------------------------------------------
Volker A. Greimann --- http://www.greimann.de --- volker@greimann.de

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Date: Tue, 27 Jul 1999 23:59:35 +0100
From: "Nick Bradbeer" <nickb@ndirect.co.uk>
Subject: Re: GT and Short vs Long Term Access (and super-duper thruster modules)

>Help I'm turning into a gearhead, is there no cure?


Yes. Death.

Join us.

NB

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Date: Wed, 28 Jul 1999 00:00:37 +0100
From: "Nick Bradbeer" <nickb@ndirect.co.uk>
Subject: Re: burgers

>BTW: Those pounds in "Quarter Ponder" are imperial, not metric pounds,
right?
>Volker


Err....Volker.....what's a metric pound?

NB

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Date: Wed, 28 Jul 1999 00:40:29 +0200
From: Volker Greimann <volker@greimann.de>
Subject: Re: Traveller-digest V1999 #899

At 18:17 27.07.99 -0400, you wrote:
>   Assorted people have been talking about the possible reprinting of old 
>OOPTraveller materials.
>   The book I'D love to see  would be an Alien book, with a picture and stats 
>for every alien that has ever appeared in an old publication, with maybe a 
>couple of pages concerning each.

Actually, something like this exists:
A small german Company (never heard of them before or after this product)
reprinted the GDW alien modules+alien realms into one big hardcover.
Its absolutely beautifully made, but the price tag is a great obstacle, 
as it costs about 250 Marks (~140 USD) without shipping.
It can still be ordered from Fantasy Encounter (http://www.fanen.de)

Volker
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Volker A. Greimann --- http://www.greimann.de --- volker@greimann.de

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